Copyright help for new dome design
Posted June 6th, 2009 by sylvia
We just found out about your project and very happy to hear of your good work.
We have a advanced cheap and strong double layer tensegrity design for a dome. We would like to secure the rights so that it can be used by anyone to produce a structure that people can use it for greenhouses or underground uses. Steve Mann shared that there is an open source copyright available so that we could give people a license to use it and protect it from being patented and kept from ordinary people using it.
Does anyone know of this process or would be interested in helping us get the dome built?
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Hi Sylvia,
We're happy to hear of your work too.
You could try looking into open source licenses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_source_licenses
We were looking at the GNU documentation licence for our stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License
We're looking into using domes too, please let us know of your design's documentation when it's ready.
Take care,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
Your project seems to bring all the aspects of Will's dreams into play and that is why I was so excited to hear about it from Steve Mann and learn of all the brilliant people you have gathered together creating applications for a sustainable village.
If you would be interested in building his dome idea, he would be more than happy to share all the aspects of it with you. He just wants it to be built and he wants to have an opportunity to build one for his own use one day and to have it available for communities to thrive and collaborate so they could have healthy food year round with perpetual harvesting.
Since junior high he's studied Hegel, Kant, Hume and Marx thoroughly and took their collaboration ideas to heart along with the great writers like Leo Tolstoy, Dostoyeveky, Diogenes, James Joyce, Steinbeck and Maxwell, Faraday, Newton and Tesla.
He fell upon this structure first in studying patterns like Penrose tiles and Fullers geodesic domes and the Eden Project (what a waste of a magnificent structure that is not growing food) along with Kenneth Snelson's tensegrity structures when he got into 3D geometric forms.
He is still experimenting with the collapsable struts and has a good idea for the hubs but all the ideas could still be experimented and perfected. What's really interesting to him about this structure is that you could literally use materials available at any Home Depot to create a mile wide structure that would be sound.
Will's goal is not to copyright the dome design and make money on it as much as I'd like him to, he'd just like to be able to build it and use it for growing food. It's just that the design lends itself to a community because the larger the size the more efficient it becomes. It's just the nature of the design.
Will is more interested in using the dome in a community greenhouse setting to study the chromatograph readings or whatever method of determining the nutritional values of each plant along with a method of using a interactive data base which he has started with a graphing calculator where classic recipes of ingredients could be used to create healthy and delicious daily meals for optimum health. He also wants to document the growing habits and needs of different plants and automate the systems with robotics and sensors.
It's most effective for a large space to meet the needs of a large community. The advantage of the design is that for a large space it has a higher resource and labor efficiency and strength to weight ratio than most greenhouses. It is a double layer continuous tension, continuous compression tensegrity structure which is an new innovation. The double layer allows for a wide variety of uses while still having a large area inside that is usable where most tensegrity structures don't.
The double layer could even be used for a dwelling where the structure could be built and covered with cement and then disassembled and taken to the next site to create another dome and a weave of rebar could be used in the cement to keep the cement from cracking with a layer of bentonite clay on the outside. In fact, the larger it is the more efficient it becomes.
72' across is about the smallest it should be for maximum efficiency where four people could manage the operations with automated heating, fertilization and irrigation systems and a cooling system if it was not taken apart in the summer. It could have collapsable struts for dismanteling or the covering could be taken off in the summer as long as it didn't rust. It would function on a smaller scale but it's efficiency increases as the size increases.
The structure could be made of a variety of materials from electrical conduit galvanized metal tubing and stainless steal or aluminum wire to bamboo or wood. Tefcel which could last the longest would be wonderful but UV treated polyetheline could be used and taken off in the summer or replaced every 6-8 years.He's more interested in building it and testing it and using it to see just how strong it is because he sees the potential because it uses geometric shapes that have been proven to be very strong. The tensegrity adds to the strength and the effective use of resources. I can't express it as he does but I was trained as an animator to teach complicated ideas and I feel I can at least begin the process and find like minded people who are intelligent enough to see the potential where he is more interested in thinking of more ways to make the construction more efficient and all the options and applications.
He's even invented building the lazer welding devices and electromagnetic devices to alter the metal to make manufacturing more efficient. Again, I'm not clarifying the terms well but he can share that with you all. I think I'm most interested in getting him hooked up with you since I don't have the space for the lab he wants to make to do all the construction and he's determined to build it one way or another. Since we don't have the money to do it all, he's designing all the equipment he'll need from scratch.
It would be very effective underground and covered with cement to create a secure space since it is not hampered by sheering force problem with most rectangular basements. He's designed it as having many cells underground for growing mushrooms as well as laminar flow hood or cabinet from scratch or with artificially lit greenhouses which he has calculated all the lighting and electrical needs and specification and a large dome on top as a restaurant culinary teaching center complete with elevators in the middle of each cell throughout. The vegetative cells have rotating circular pads with plants to mimic nature and patterns for efficient use of space.
The geometric patterns are quite beautiful and separate elements of the design are also nice as shade shelters where parts of the pattern are taken out to resemble petals falling to the ground to allow for a breeze to move through it for comfort in sitting under it. Hope Will can get together with you all,Sylvia
A modest suggestion: encourage Will to build a physical model.
I say this as one who once built a "tensegrity icosa" using quarter-inch dowels for the compression elements and thread for the tension elements. No brilliant new ideas on my part... the design is Bucky Fuller's. However, calculating forces and confirming that all the vectors added up to zero was no substitute for having somethat I could hold in my hands and squeeze.
I realize that I am not verified yet on this site. My homepage presents a problem in the way it has leaky servers and a webmaster who sort of sabotaged the whole project, so we can communicate better using beckley.johnjason@gmail.com...
Now that I see the more complete ideation/application that you have in mind, you will be surprised at how compatible your plans are with my projections over the years. The mention of laminar flow unit brings to mind the woman and her website introducing issue culture to the wider public as a biotech learning project. She lives in WI and her website is http://www.kitchenculturekit.com . We just recently started planning for more expansive participation with the "outer" world like including a restaurant on the property and more dwellings along the lines of the 10meter dia. yurt that will serve as the common kitchen for Adriana's boutique hotel. If you take the mental vacation by viewing the foto gallery, you will see bamboo used in double tensegrity fashion for putting up four of the buildings on the grounds already a done deal.
As far as scaling the dome project, we have a small green house and a nearby "Living Machine" grey-water scrubber, so those concepts can also be expanded upon and enlarged for population growth here because we are in a preparedness mode. There are open areas that we are filling in on the drawing board, starting yesterday, so any fresh ideas are still welcome to Pablo, the retired commercial airline pilot, who has the inspiration to put this project on the ground. We even talk about building giant AirShips to take people on leisure cruises over the mts. to the coast and other N-S routes.
To get to the financing stage requires business plans that you may or not have for proposing to investor groups such as > http://angelinvestmentnetz.de/start/105 < hopefully Sylvia can do some of that tasking. In the meanwhile, let me know if you ARE in dact interested to do a build-out on whatever scale. We need about three more dwellings, then, of course, they would need the extra greenhouse capacity to supply more food volume as well as increasing food vollume for high-end restaurants in the center of Oaxaca the city. We have a lact-fermenting project in full swing to produce biofertilizer for us and local marketing farmers. Raphael is leading us down the path to ever-more sophistication in our ecoagro outputs in order to generate needed income to pay staff coming from the nearby town.
Just wanting to give you an overview to place the dome building project in perspective. Hope to hear from you soon.
Will you be holding any workshops in the near future? I would like to visit. Sylvia
Copyrights and patents are two different things. You can copyright a document describing your idea, but you can't copyright the idea itself.
If you want to prevent your idea from being patented (other than by patenting it first yourself), you should publish the idea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_(patent)
If you publish something, you might as well copyright it, but it is the publication, not the copyright, that prevents others from patenting.
Dan,
Thanks for your help. It appears that publication allows one to show that they thought of the idea and keeps someone else from patenting the idea in the future. It also keeps you from patenting it in the future. Is that your understanding?
Sylvia
In the US there is a one-year grace period after publication in which the inventor can apply for a patent.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2133.htm
Getting 10K in a year would be pretty hard to do, as long as he can use it and no one keeps people from using it, that's all that really matters. I don't think anyone could patent it after someone else published it before them.
The patent process will take at least a year and thousands of dollars and you may not get a patent out of it. Have you considered building a life-size model? PVC pipe and clothesline wire, something like that?
The cost of building a life size model would be almost as much as going ahead and building it. Our funds are limited. I think he'd better publish the idea before building it. A friend referred him to someone who has the expertise tools and space and need for the dome, so he may have a chance to just go ahead and build it. I hope he gets it done before winter so it can be used.
That particular dome structure is exactly what I want to build collabortively/cooperatively out of bamboo growing right here at Tierra Del Sol> http://www.tierradelsol.com.mx < or closer to the coast you find Guadua a more construction suitable variety.
In Ecuador last year, a collaborative/volunteer group built a copy of Stardome> http://www.stardome.jp/how-en,html < that also is an opensource project and I paid for the materials...at the time I used a bamboo splitter fabricated in Loja, Ecuador and had bought a set of bamboo working tools. I left the splitters in Ecuador but brought the saw and hatchet, so I am ready. Come on down...
The model shown appears to have more structural integrity and strangth, which is what I am looking for to build at least 6m or 18ft diameter model...how many struts are required so I can determine how many pieces of bamboo will be used?
Regarding Intellectual Property of all forms:
Check out this article saying that IP "rights" are detrimental to society. An interesting and powerful argument for Open Source EVERYTHING.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2009/1208/p09s06-coop.html
Cheers!
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